
I should preface this post by saying that I used to be a Twilight fangirl. I loved Eward and could argue for hours over why I did. I defended him mercilessly.
It wasn't until Breaking Dawn came out - the book, not the film - that I began to reconsider my love of the books. My review said it was good, but I remember telling my mom it read like bad fanfiction. I only reread the books after that once before being disgusted and getting rid of my copies.
It wasn't that the content had changed. It's that I was more aware of what I was reading. In most cases, this is a shift that won't happen to a Twilight fan soon, if ever.
But here's the fact of the matter: Edward and Bella have an abusive relationship.
Here's another fact: Most people refuse to see it that way.

Edward and Bella might be in love in the books. Considering their willingness to die for the other, I'd believe it. But I wouldn't call it "twu wuv." It's puppy love that most teenagers experience and most adults think they want to live.

Even if they are in love, that kind of all consuming relationship isn't healthy on any kind of level. A solid relationship is when two people can survive without the other, but would really rather not. This is why Hermione and Ron have a healthy relationship, but Voldemort and Harry don't. (See? It's a Harry Potter joke. I can be funny.) This is an obsession that leaves Bella emotionally and mentally bereft for months.

Oh, you innocent of heart and mind.
Would Edward do anything to protect Bella? Undoubtedly. This is to the extreme of emotionally abusing her. (We won't get into the physical side of Breaking Dawn, where him beating her in bed until she's covered in bruises is construed as romantic.)
Edward stalks Bella prior to their relationship. He lives in constant danger of killing her. Rather than worry about himself, he instead warns Bella against seeing friends and family. He isolates her from others.

Edward's control of Bella may be from an honest need to protect her. However, he doesn't take into consideration her needs and wants (outside of her need for him) and ignores her potential ability to be or do anything.


I don't disagree.
Bella is clumsy, stupid, incompetent and constantly wanders into danger.
But how Edward handles her is crappy. How Meyer handles her is crappy. Why can't Bella become Buffy? Learn to hang with werewolves or set traps or have some form of defense. Why can't she say, "No, Edward, I really do want to go to college and live a life before committing myself to becoming a VampMeyer for all of eternity?"

It's not that I mind her choice. I mind how she made it. Her life surrounds the codependency she has with Edward. She is literally unable to function when he up and leaves her. In what way is wanting to stop existing, over a man you've known for under a year and has put you in constant danger, in any way healthy?

I DEFY YOUR GENDER NORMS.
I REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR STEREOTYPICAL SOCIAL ORDERING.
NICOLE SMASH!

If you want to convince me that their relationship is romantic, not abusive, I suggest you listen to step one: romantic relationships don't need some broad kind of excuse. All relationships have problems, true. But saying that the problem comes from having 107 years of emotional stupidity due to having dangly bits isn't an acceptable excuse.
And even if you assume "all men" are like that, you're making the assumption that Edward is, ya know, a man. He's not. He's a vampire. Who is 107. That is PLENTY of time to learn how to trat another person with respect, regardless of their stature or sex or how badly they need protection.
And not "all men" are like that. If he was 16, 17, 18 instead of 107, is that really an excuse? My boyfriend, brother and guy friends all know better than to treat a girl like how Mr. Cullen treats her.
Never make excuses for assholes.

Whether or not you like to acknowledge it, fiction shapes our lives.

Perhaps in the generations before mine, it was easier to separate fact from fiction. There was no reality television. Much less product placement. There weren't people like the fabulous Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart, who play themselves.
We're told, from a young age, that fiction reflects life. We're taught to read into things and look at things and learn from them.
If you're going into Twilight knowing that everything in there is cold hard fiction, good. That's the way it should be.
But if you're one of the people who read and learn from what they read, whether it's how to write better or how to handle being teased or how to save your life, fiction affects you. You take it, you look at it, you learn from it.
I always prided myself on not dating in high school because there weren't guys there I liked. I had read enough books to know that good protagonists, the really awesome ones, never settled for anything less than the best. The hell if I was gonna be a bad protagonist -- this is my life.
And other girls do the same thing. They learn from what they read.
But what do they learn when they read Twilight? To drop everything for the guy you just met a week ago? To abandon your friends on his orders? If he bruises you, love him more?
I'm not saying it's Meyer's place to teach. In my opinion, didactic works never work as well as works that are simply there to tell a story.
But you can't say it's an okay relationship because it's just fiction. Because like it or not, fiction affects us as a society, as to what we think is okay and isn't okay.
And honestly? I don't think Edward Cullen is, at all, okay.
Feel free to comment, but any comments that are just offensive will be deleted. (Controversial comments, however, are HIGHLY ENCOURAGED.)
[EDIT] James' post about his experience with Twilight is also worth checking out.





I wholeheartedly and completely agree. This is a really fantastic post explaining, in depth, their relationship. (Coherently. I couldn't do it.) I had the same experience. I read them around 5th grade, and loved them, and raved about them. But I was nowhere, not even close, to the careful reader I am now. Now when I read, I don't just see a story. I see the meaning behind the story, the messages that are coming from the text, subtext, etc. So I tried rereading Twilight, and had the same response. Bad fanfic.
ReplyDeleteAgain, great job explaining why their relationship is abusive!
A movie about Jacob and LochNess? Well, the whole of NAMBLA will be there to see it, that's for sure. Not quite right but close enough. The thing is TWILIGHT has set the precedent for romance in YA, much to the chagrin of many. Propagating rape culture to a bunch of teen girls? Yes! Wha??? Um, no. Many say it's just fiction but then those same people go out and seek Edward Cullen's twin. If they genuinely understand it is just fiction then okay but many say they do and then act otherwise. I think we all have less than savory characters that we swoon over and in our minds we can control them more, cull them to be something more akin to what WE want them to be. But the reality is those characters would suck balls in real life. Hard. There is no changing a person like that, there is no romance in a person like that. Do you REALLY want to be with some brooding, mentally stunted, possessive creeper that'll disable your car engine to keep you from seeing your friends? When you're all alone with no one but HIM in your life, will it be so romantic then?
ReplyDeleteI love that you included that quote from Crescendo. I could barely stand the first few pages of that book, looks like it only go worse.
ReplyDeleteI agree, loved the first three books and then when the last one came out I was reading it and it felt so wrong and dirty. I know if I reread them I'll have the same reaction as you, so I'm giving up on that prospect. Love the explanations and definitely agree about his creepy stalkerness and abusiveness. Bella was the crazy one to insist upon sex before she became a vampire though, I think she's got some screws loose. :)
Great job and I love the tweeting aspect of this post.
I was in grade 10 when I read Twilight, and I loved those books with all my heart.
ReplyDeleteThen Breaking Dawn came out. I went to a midnight release party at my bookstore with my friends. After reading it, I had a serious case of the "what the fucks?" When I went back and reread the first three, I can only describe the feeling as seriously confused. As another Edward fan, I could not figure out why I loved him so much. I completely agree with everything that has already been said, particularly that fiction shapes our reality (I'm still hunting for my 6'7" badass, Russian god).
But what do you say to all the kids that fall in love with reading because of these books? I know so many people that now love reading, and can pin it back to this series. Despite all it's flaws and abusive relationships and overall creep-factor, Twilight does deserve some credit for what it has done for getting it's generation into reading.
I'm a fan of anything that gets kids to read; this is what got me into YA (until then, I was a pure adult fantasy girl. Go figure.) and what got a lot of my sister's friends reading. I think the fact that it does that is great! But there's a bit of damage done for the girls that fantasize about boys 'protecting' them like Edward does. It'll hopefully find a way to even out.
DeleteI agree with everything you've said. I think the line between what is believed to be fiction and what is reality has become blurred. When Twilight became big, I was in high school, having read the books in middle school. Like you, I loved Twilight and Edward a lot and book 4 changed that. When friends came and talked about how they wished Edward was real, I was shocked! Edward "protected" Bella by stalking her and never letting her do what she wanted (even though she did need all the help).
ReplyDeleteFrom the link you posted about the YA saves, I'm saddened that books that really, truly help a person learn and grow gets thrown to the wolves and bashed as some have been.
But, truthfully, if there is one thing I can give Twilight: it did encourage a lot of people to read, even many bloggers. But I think a lot of people know to separate reality and fiction.
There's a lot of things that help teenagers that get bashed -- certain books, music, etc. As we grow up and as adults become more aware, we'll/they'll hopefully turn around and won't do the same.
DeleteOne thing I actually do disagree with is that Bella needs protection. What she NEEDS is to pull herself together and quit being a dumbass. Take a self-defense class. Buy some pepper spray. Pick up gymnastics or a sport that will allow her to work on her obvious balance issues. And maybe, I don't know, watch where she's going so she's not constantly tripping? Looking for someone to protect you is the ultimate helpless female behavior that makes me cringe. OK, sure, you may have people who WANT to protect you. But being able to help yourself should be the number one concern for every woman and that knowledge should be ingrained from the time a girl is old enough to start dating.
ReplyDeleteAs far as the whole fiction thing, I think that it's initially easy to separate but I do think that there's a slippery slope effect in play as well. When I teenage girl keeps reading about all of these abusive or possessive relationships that are portrayed as these epic romance, eventually it's possible for fiction to become fact. I think it's more true in cases where girls don't necessarily have strong female role models to look up to.
Also just a general comment that applies here: the whole "boys will be boys" idea makes me want to puke. It's the ultimate cop-out and excuse for bad behavior.
Wow, this came off a lot angrier than intended, ha ha. Basically I liked the first book and kind of dismissed the whole abusive idea. I really found their relationship kind of annoying but mostly harmless. As the series went on I started to find it dangerously co-dependent and abusive. I still have yet to read the last book, I just can't bring myself to get started.
DeleteI would much prefer Bella to step up and protect herself -- because she does need to be protected, even if it's herself DOING the protection -- but I understand the other side's argument.
DeleteAlso, yes. "Boys will be boys" is only used when boys are being misogynistic creeps and I can't stand it.
This is a brilliant post. And Edward messing with Bella's truck so that she can't go to La Push? Aaargh.
ReplyDeleteI also think that Hush, Hush was much more explicit on the rape culture front than Twilight. I was so disgusted by Patch in that book. How can people find it even remotely romantic is truly beyond my understanding.
Really? Now I feel like I missed something, because I loved Patch! I've only read the first book of the series, and I never thought they had anything near a healthy relationship, but I didn't pick up on that. Maybe it was because I saw Patch as a bad guy all the way through, so I didn't really see him as romantic, more displaying how dangerous he was...I don't know. Care to share some more of your thoughts?
DeleteI could be completely wrong, but I don't remember ever reading a part in the book where Edward tells Bella not see friends and family. I also would like to point out the fact that when Edward ACCIDENTLY bruises Bella in Breaking Dawn, Bella was consenting and she knew the risks and it was an act of love that they were committing. Furthermore when "Edward" disables Bella truck because he thinks she's going out with friends I'm almost completely sure that Charlie is the one that disables her truck, but like I said I could be wrong. And yes Bella could say no Edward I want to go to college and live a normal life, except thats NOT what Bella wants. From the first moment that Bella figured out what Edward was all she's wanted was to be with him forever and be a vampire. Lastly I fully believe that Bella is not just looking for protection she actually loves Edward with her whole heart. But anyways that just my opinion of the books and I feel like every one is entitled to their own opinion.
ReplyDeleteEdward takes a car part out of her car and puts it back in the next day. He tells her not to see Jacob and the La Push pack.
DeleteI don't have a problem with Bella loving Edward and with Bella choosing that; it's the type of love and why she chooses that I have a problem with. *shrugs*
Thank you! I was one of those teens that was affected by fiction in such a way, and when I started reading books like Twilight (when I started reading again full stop) I thought that's how relationships were meant to be. It wasn't until I started reading other kinds of YA (not that paranormal books all have unhealthy relationships in them, but out of all the different kinds of YA I've read, they do occur more often there. And more than anything, that kind of romance just feels kind of lazy. Like there was no work done there to build their relationship at all. That annoys me too, but I'm going on a tangent...) that I realised how bad the relationship in books like Twilight and Hush, Hush really are.
ReplyDeleteAnd even back in my Twilight-fangirl days (I was never a full felged Twihard), I never liked Edward. I never got why everyone thought he was so swoonsome. Seriously, I still don't know how Bella didn't freak the fuck out when she found out he'd been watching her sleep - from INSIDE her bedroom - before they'd even had a proper conversation. Stalking is NOT romantic, regardless of how chiselled his pale, sparkly cheekbones may be. Great post.
I first read these books last year (I know, so late in the game) mostly because I was doing research for a paper in my 18th century Seduction Literature class. So, as a 22 year old reading them for the first time, I noticed everything you have addressed in your post. I never really liked Edward. Sure, he was charming, but he was so controlling and manipulative and not trusting and I really didn't understand the appeal.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I do not think that Meyer set out to create Edward to be an abusive character. I think she started out trying to create a relationship dynamic that established the male as the leader and protector, but the dominance comes across as abuse. Sometimes I think there is a fine line between a "wives, submit to your husbands" leadership type of relationship and an abusive relationship. And I believe Meyer set out with the intention of the former but ended up with the latter.
On the flip side, I didn't really understand the appeal to Jacob either. While Jacob isn't outwardly abusive, he is still controlling in a manipulative way. And he is really whiny.
Thus, I'm Team Jasper. ;-)
I agree; I think she thought that kind of thing would be seen as romantic. (Makes me worry about what she thinks is okay and what her marriage is like!) Considering her religion, however, I agree -- she set out with the "wives, submit to your husbands" idea.
DeleteWhich is still a terrible idea, in all honesty. POWER OF THE BOOBIES.
(Also, you're on the team of the guy who manipulates the emotions? LULZ.)
LOL it's not his fault that's his power. He makes people feel better, and he is good to Alice. She's the lucky one. He's a catch =)
DeleteI'm bookmarking this! I want to write a post related to the subject of Twilight and its place in YA, so I'm going to keep this around for reference.
ReplyDeleteI'm glad it can be of some service!
DeleteAwesome post. I read Twilight when I was 12 and I thought it was perfect and beautiful. Breaking Dawn made me uncomfortable, but I never noticed anything wrong until I read a newspaper and in it, they criticized Twilight as something just for teens and tweens. From there I started to notice stuff I didn't like. Now I'm not a huge fan of the series. The weird thing for me is how people rarely notice anything being wrong. It's easy to get into Bella and Edward's world and not realize that in RL what they're doing isn't healthy or okay.
ReplyDeleteI will give a devil's advocate point though, for that "He's a man" argument. Really, he isn't a man. He's a vampire. Maybe he shouldn't be judged by human standards because he's not human, he's a complete other species. And maybe a characteristic of this new super strong, predatory species is to be ridiculously overprotective.
I'm not defending Edward, I just like debates. :p
I love debates, too; hence why so many posts on WORD are mildly controversial.
DeleteBut! Edward is a vampire pretending to be human. If his vampire!instinct is what's telling him to be overly protective, wouldn't he be working to ignore it as it is a part of the vampire self he claims to despite? And why not protect all the humans as thoroughly as he does Bella then?
DEBATE!
Hm. We appreciate your discussion of this, but we feel like you're cherry-picking your evidence. We are not "twi-hards" by any stretch, but we do have a soft spot for this series because it's what brought us into the fold of YA. (Well, cemented us into the fold of YA, really. Harry Potter opened the gates. Anyway...)
ReplyDeleteSome thoughts:
--- Katherine Speller's tweets are wise and true and we agree wholeheartedly. (They are not, however, necessarily exclusive of Edward and Bella's relationship.)
--- "This is an obsession that leaves Bella emotionally and mentally bereft for months."
In Book 2, yes. And Book 2 is all about her learning how to cope without him. Which she figures out how to do, eventually. And Books 3 and 4 show the shift of power in their relationship now that she HAS learned how to take care of herself without him. He tries to exercise his protection over her, but she doesn't just let him. She sees Jacob. She gives birth to Renesmee. She tells her father the truth about everything.
--- "We won't get into the physical side of Breaking Dawn, where him beating her in bed until she's covered in bruises is construed as romantic."
Uh, that's not exactly what happened. "Beating" implies that his intent was to hurt her. In fact, they were having sex, and he is 1 million times physically stronger than her, so she got hurt.
(Are there mixed message about sex in that book? Yes. But that's not the argument you were making.)
--- "Rather than worry about himself, he instead warns Bella against seeing friends and family. He isolates her from others."
Mmm, that's not entirely true. He does worry about himself too, early in their relationship. He tells her to stay away; he leaves the state; etc. Yes, later he does try to keep her from seeing Jacob (a werewolf) but not her regular human friends/family.
--- "However, he doesn't take into consideration her needs and wants (outside of her need for him) and ignores her potential ability to be or do anything."
Again, not entirely true. He encourages her to go to university and to spend time with her parents and (human) friends.
--- The Hush Hush series struck us as FAR worse, in terms of veiled abusive relationship, than Twilight.
--- "Why can't she say, "No, Edward, I really do want to go to college and live a life before committing myself to becoming a VampMeyer for all of eternity?""
Because she didn't want that. And as much as feminism is about choice, that includes the choice to be a housewife (even to a vampire). And really REALLY, Bella wasn't saying she didn't want to go to college or live life. She just wanted to do it AS a vampire, with Edward by her side.
--- AudryT's suggestion about Renesmee's story sounds awesome.
--- We agree that Edward's "being a man" is not an excuse for anything, especially given his vampiric circumstances.
--- It IS fiction. Just like the Matrix is fiction and shouldn't be blamed for Columbine. Just like #YASaves has taught us that "dark" books don't make kids self-harm. Because if just reading Twilight can sway a girl into a bad relationship, then there are HUGE FOUNDATIONAL FACTORS that have not been put into place with her. She has already been failed.
To be clear: we do not think Twilight is perfect. We do not think Bella and Edward's relationship is ideal. But nor do we think it abusive, or promoting unhealthy behaviors.
I tend to focus on the first book in the series when I talk about TWILIGHT, though the rest of them are as equally shifty in different ways.
Delete- She figures out how to live without him eventually, but that extreme was ridiculous, in my opinion.
- The beating may have been unintentional, but that's still what it was, and he knew it would be likely to happen. And Bella was okay with it. There's a LOT of mixed messages there. Basic line was that emotions got out of hand and he ended up hurting her. And breaking the bed. Wat.
- The thing about Edward is that Bella's life either surrounds him or he wants nothing to do with her for her own safety. Where's the inbetween?
- I refuse to read HUSH, HUSH for precisely that reason. I would just get angry.
- Like I said, it wasn't Bella's choice that annoyed me; it was how and why she chose it. It was less out of not wanting to do those things and more because she didn't want her boobs to sag before she became a vampMeyer.
- I agree that it IS fiction. It's the KNOWING it's fiction that's a problem. The line is blurry in our culture, so when people say they want Edward to be real or describe their boyfriend as an Edward, it worries me.
We are all happily entitled to our opinion, of course, which causes FANTASTIC debate. Thanks for the fabulous and well thought out comment!
"Even if they are in love, that kind of all consuming relationship isn't healthy on any kind of level. A solid relationship is when two people can survive without the other, but would really rather not."
ReplyDeleteYES YES YES HECK YES.
Totally agree with everything you said! Finally someone understands! I tried explaining it to my younger sister awhile ago, but she didn't get it.
ReplyDeleteGreat post!
You know, I've just had a thought about imprinting and how it's presented as this uber-romantic, it's fate! sort of thing, but it's really not. If I remember correctly, the wolves imprint on human girls, right? Do the girls get a choice? No. When Renesmee grows up, she'll never have the option of going out and meeting someone else, and we're supposed to see that as sweet. (Although I know a lot of - hopefully most - people just get squicked out by the entire Jacob/Renesmee thing.)
ReplyDeleteBut onto Bella and Edward: when I first read the books I was swept up in the romance of it all. I do think that they loved each other, but I totally agree that it was not in a realistic way at all. They don't love each in the way that they'd be happy to argue over the bills and whose turn it is to walk the dog, but in the way that they don't believe they could exist without the other. And I think they're both manipulative, what with all the deals about when and why they'll get married but only if they have sex before he turns her...not healthy at all.
My main issue with Twilight is that Stephanie Meyer couldn't bear to not have everything work out perfectly and so she twisted the story until she got her happy ending. But that's a completely different subject!
How about Bella sitting in a rocking chair, staring out the window, as the seasons turn... because Edward left? Or jumping of a freaking cliff? 99% of girls who commit suicide do so because their men leave them. The psychological takeaway is severely damaging. I just had a girl write me and cuss me out because of "all the bad things I called Edward" in A New Dawn. I had to point out that the book is a collection of essays written by several authors, and I only wrote the forward. All the bad comments (ie: sociopath, which I happen to agree with) came from other writers. But WOW. She was seriously deep down angered that anyone could call a fictional character "bad names."
ReplyDeleteI think I need to chase down "A New Dawn" now!
DeleteFor the most part I totally agree with you. I think the relationship Edward/Bella have is completely unhealthy. I used to be a big fan of the books until Breaking Dawn, although I was Team Jacob. But the thing is, I could see Edward's appeal in the first book. I wasn't a huge fan, but I could see the appeal. But I couldn't believe Bella's reaction in Book 2. I mean, of course you get sad in that situation, but to be comatose for months on end because of some guy who by all definitions isn't really good for you? Really weak. And then fast-forward to Edward telling Bella how to behave and Bella (most of the time) accepting it... it made me so incredibly angry, especially the babysitting and disabling of the car. I recognize that this is fiction and fiction tends to be more dramatic than real life for the most part, but like you said, people do take things in from fiction and apply it to their lives, whether they admit it or not. I think saying it's just fiction is just a bad excuse. Yes it's fiction, but then why do people choose to see Edward as an ideal boyfriend candidate, and why do they choose to admire this relationship that is completely unhealthy? My coworker and I were actually just talking a couple weeks ago about how disappointing it is that people look to Edward as an ideal when it's so far from the truth.
ReplyDeleteDisclaimer: I only read the first 20 pages of Twilight, then stopped because it was so godawfully written. If I've misunderstood the books at all, feel free to call me an idiot.
ReplyDeleteBeing in love as a teenager is simultaneously scary and awesome. Its a genuine high, and chasing more of that feeling can often make us (admit it, we've all been there) act more than a little obsessive. This isn't the end of the world. Learning the difference between adrenaline-laced infatuation and a real relationship is one of the most important lessons of anyone's life, and only comes through practical experience.
I think there's a genuine need for literature that speaks to a teen mindset in that context. It has to be authentic and deeply felt and fundamentally real. But, and this is the important part, it has to acknowledge that being a teenager is a transitional period, not the goal.
I wouldn't trade my highschool experiences for anything (and it wasn't that long ago), but I'm deeply happy to not be that guy anymore.
Yes, it's the teen experience! And that's why it hit home with so many readers/women: we got to relive the rush of that kind of irrational, all-consuming emotion.
Delete(Again -- b/c we feel like we need to say this EVERY TIME we say anything positive about Twilight -- we're not saying the books are perfect. At best, they send mixed messages. But there's an emotional core that we feel is authentic, whether people like it or not.)
I think that it the emotional sweep-up is the teen experience -- which is why I say it's not twu wuv -- but the things that go with it suck. The emotional rush is what makes them so easy to read, though.
Delete*Whoops, meant to post that as We Heart YA, not me alone. :P
DeleteAwwww the genius of your post. Like Christopher above me I only got through about 20 pages of Twilight but I know enough to know that Edward is a class A creep and stalker of the highest order. Why anyone would like him is beyond me.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that Twilight and 50 Shades of Grey are so popular really do scare me. Not because I think they're crappy literature (though I do think that) but because both of the male protagonists are abusive and horrible boyfriends and yet women are looking to them like they are amazing and wonderful partners. WE CAN DO SO MUCH BETTER!!!! :P
Oh man. ALL OF THIS.
ReplyDeleteFurther, as a non-virgin, can I just clarify here and state that when you DO IT with someone who is way stronger than you, it still shouldn't hurt. Like, there are positions where the woman is in charge, thus I don't get the point of the bruises and the torn up headboard. Like, that doesn't happen in real life.
Sorry I didn't mean to be crass or anything, but just wanted to put how sex works out there.
And also to nod my head in agreement to all of this. And I think that when you read this from a feminist perspective, by this I mean Twilight, you come to see that the relationship isn't exactly a healthy one.
And then I get annoyed because people -- women especially -- shouldn't have to look at something through a feminist lens. Feminism should be the default. WE ARE EQUAL, DAMN IT.
DeleteAnd yeah. That's another reason I can't stand 50 SHADES OF GREY. "He ripped through my virginity." I may not have had sex but I know that's not how it works.
Regarding 50 Shades, I was appalled recently to hear to younger girls (looked to be anywhere from 13-18) discussing 50 Shades. And yes, it's EXTREMELY worrying to think that young girls are going to believe this is the behavior they should expect in a boyfriend. Can't wait to see your review of 50 Shades ;-)
DeleteAlso, agree with everything that has been said about the Twi-relationships. They gave me the uber creep factor in the first book & I never went on to any of the others.
I've read enough excerpts to never ever want to read the full thing of 50 SHADES. I'm leaving that to my good friend Katherine, who wrote it and is writing up a well thought out and annoyed review.
DeleteI'm worried less about the young girls reading it -- they can get more intense online for free, and I have no qualms with them understanding their sexuality and safe sex and sex itself and blahblah -- than I am about young girls taking stalker behavior to heart.
This! One of my friends snarkily texted me an excerpt from 50 Shades and I was like, yeah never going to read that ever.
DeleteI was like you, too. At first, I liked Twilight but then I began to realize that there's few things redeemable about this series. (Except maybe for Mike. I've always liked him.)Twilight is all about a girl who needs a guy in her life in order to make it whole. Even in Book 2 when Edward's gone, Bella manages to find another guy to fill the void. But that's not how it works. A girl should be able to feel complete on her own, and if she feels she "needs" a boyfriend, then the problem isn't her lack of a dating life. And the fact that Edward watches her sleep? That's wrong. And cuts her brakes? Wrong, too. There shouldn't be one person in the relationship with all of the control, whether the girl or the guy. It's unhealthy, and any girl in a relationship like that should get the heck out, not marry him and have a weird human-vampire hybrid.
ReplyDeleteI disagree that it's a fact that Edward and Bella's relationship is abusive. However, if you'd like to offer that wager, I'd counter wager you that any relationship that Jacob and Bella could have had or possibly may have had in Eclipse would have been just as abusive and I don't hear anyone going on about that.
ReplyDeleteI appreciate your post and I respect you and your blog, but I disagree. :)
And you're welcome to disagree! I think Jacob's relationship with Bella is also abusive - he lies to her, manipulates her emotionally and verbally and just... gah. And Alice's lies to Bella to try to get her to do what she needs her to are annoying. The entire story is full of twisted relationships, but Edward/Bella is the most obvious source of this.
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