I've seen a lot of posts and complaining lately that bloggers aren't taken seriously as other groups of people. Librarians, "official" book reviewers for equal ARCs, equal respect, equal whatever.
I really started thinking about it after Well-Read Reviews did a post on how they were currently denying book bloggers review copies on NetGalley.*
What do bloggers deserve? What should publishers give us? Where do we stand on ARCS?
And most importantly, are we actually entitled to any of the things we're getting?
Just to clarify in this post: when I say review copies, I mean both any form of ARC or finished copy of a book that a blogger receives for free to review.

Bloggers have been getting review copies from publishers for a few years now, whether its review copies that they've requested, that they've picked up at expositions or that they've received unsolicited in the mail. I remember when I got my first ARC -- it was one of the most exciting things I've done so far in my meager life, because I felt I was getting somewhere.
And you know what? Getting review copies is a sign that you're getting somewhere with your blog. Publishers are trusting that your word of mouth alone will help spread their book around and help it sell.

What I said above is just the thing -- bloggers' top priority isn't to help publishers sell books. Librarians buy books. Magazines and papers guarantee books a spot that potentially millions of people will see. Book buyers buy books to put in their stores. What do bloggers do?
We get books and tell other people to read them. Our viewership is much smaller than the other three groups mentioned above, but if you hit the right fandom or the right blogger, word of mouth can carry.
So while we can guarantee a certain number of people might see our post, there's no way to track how many copies it sold.

And here's the thing: publishers love books, and publicists love books, and us bloggers love books.
Two of those groups need to make a profit and sell copies, and one of them does not.
We are not guaranteed to sell books. We are not guaranteed to do anything. Sending books to a blogger is always a risk. Will they actually post? How many people will see it? Will they say something that will make people want to read it?
And we do help promote the books in our own way. As somebody once said, "All press is good press." (Except for when it's not.) And the fact that we help promote is a great thing. That's why we do get so many copies, in the blogosphere, as a whole. In our own little corner, we do our job and we do it well.

Um, here's the thing.
We're not professionals.
Should we be treated with some form of respect? Of course. All human beings should be. But if we're going to earn respect from the people in the industry we're blogging about, it's going to take more than that.
If you want to be taken professionally, the group as a whole has to be taken professionally, not just one blogger. No more biting people at BEA for books. No more ranting on a blog because you didn't get your way.

Then keep not doing those things and understand that your view as a blogger doesn't necessarily allow you to see why publishing companies would tell you no.
Disney-Hyperion's decision showed up on NetGalley shortly after BookExpo America. This is an interesting decision on their part, but one that I understood -- especially given the things I heard from working as an intern right after BookExpo America. "We've had [#] requests for [book], but that's not surprising -- bloggers grab anything after BEA."
It could be because they're trying an experiment to see how books sell or flourish with or without bloggers.
And as for print copies of books? There's a limited number. It could be first come, first serve or on the basis of how popular your blog is or if you've worked with them in the past.

There's a lot of reasons.

Are you a consistent blogger? How long have you been blogging? What's your readership like? Have you worked with the publicist or the publishing company before? What's your audience? Is your blog layout not a hot mess? What books do you normally read? What's your reputation like? Did you do something terrible at one point that would make people not want to work with you?
A lot of different variables come into play when it comes to who gets what and they all differ according to the publishing company. It's mostly about who you know and how well you do what you do. Professionalism helps.

Publishing is a business. Bloggers are an asset to publishers and, in some cases, help out a lot with things they wouldn't think of or don't have time to do. However, because it's hard to track how bloggers impact sales, sending things to bloggers is always a risk. Just because a publishing house isn't accepting blogger requests at the moment doesn't mean they never will or that they hate bloggers -- it means there are other things that need to take priority that they can track.

It doesn't matter if you get one or you get one hundred. You may want review copies, but the publishing house is taking a big risk on you by giving you one. Even e-ARCs cost potential sales and money if it's not handled right.
Having a blog, no matter how large, doesn't mean that people should hand you over all the copies. It's a matter of trust and a matter of professionalism on the part of the blogger.
Never assume you deserve something.
As usual, feel free to discuss and debate in the comments. Remember, all nasty things will be deleted, and all controversial things will be loved!
*Please do not attack Allison's blog if you agree with me, for she and I talked on Twitter and agreed that she might not have thought the post all the way through, and she also happens to be a very nice lady.





Hmmm, very interesting. I'm not a book blogger, but I do enjoy reading them- I get SO MANY suggestions this way! I can definitely understand where the publishing houses are coming from, but my selfishness makes me hope that book blogging doesn't disappear.
ReplyDeleteDon't worry, Zia! I will still be around, ARCs or not, and I know many more bloggers who feel the same!
DeleteKaris @ YA Litwit
I would still be here! I blog because I love books, and I would review them whether or not they were given to me. :)
DeleteI would still be here too! I had a different start than most reviewers because I did start reviewing for a major company that did reviews but when I branched out on my own it was great to feel like I was doing what I love. I feel that love even when it's a book I purchased, unlike some reviewers. I see some people who post once every few weeks because they will only blog what they get for free. That bugs me.
DeleteGreat post! I think a lot of bloggers need to think back to when they started, and remember why they started doing it in the first place... If it was for free books, they should probably reconsider. It is a lot of work, and if it is for the wrong reasons, it will feel like a job, and in the end, that blogger will feel crappy when they don't get the books they want. I started blogging because I needed an outlet for my passion for books and the blogging community is a great place for it. Yes, the books are nice, but I don't feel like they are owed to me. When I started, I reviewed library books, books I purchased, etc. I didn't get many ARCs until I had been at it for 6 months and I think I got my first bound ARC at around 9 months. I'm almost 2 years in and I still get lots of declines, and you know what? That's cool with me. I will say that I think that if you request something and that request is granted, you should review it. I get really annoyed when I hear s blogger say, "I requested this but I don't think I'm going to read it.". That publisher spent part of its marketing budget on that ARC, and that should be respected. Sure, I've been sent books that I haven't reviewed, but I always at least try to read it.
ReplyDeleteAs far as publishers not wanting to give bloggers advance copies, reserving them only for "industry professionals"... So what? I think they are making a mistake, because I think book bloggers are a really valuable publicity source, but in the end it is their choice. Industry pros went to school or started businesses to become such, it is their livelihood and they SHOULD be first in line. That said, they should not feel any sense of entitlement either.
I do love ARCs, but if I were never sent one again, I would still blog. Anyone who feels any differently should probably reconsider why they do it.
Karis @ YA Litwit
As someone whose blog isn't strictly a review blog, I'm always a little confused by those who are hung up on getting review copies and ARCs. Oh well.
ReplyDeleteWe aren't really a review blog either. We're more about *discussing* YA lit (which is something Nicole here does very well too) so this ARC craze isn't as big a deal for us. We probably buy 75% of the books we talk about, and we only talk about ones we like. That said, we can understand the excitement that bloggers feel over ARCs -- just not the entitlement.
DeleteARCs make you feel special, you know? But as Nicole said, they are a privilege, not a right.
Nicole, you always have awesome posts. I have to sat that this is one of those really awesome posts.
ReplyDeleteTruthfully, I love getting ARCs. Absolutely LOVE them. I don't get very many, and usually mine are only from Scholastic or they are from other bloggers, and the book has already been released by the date I received them. But ya know what - they're books! I'm super happy I'm even able to receive them!
What I've noticed, is that the bloggers who 'complain' about not receiving ARCs, generally are the bloggers that receive A LOT of ARCs. My question is: how can you possibly read all the ARCs you receive before their release date? Is it that big of a deal if you would have to go BUY a book after it's released? By buying the book, you're helping the company, and yet you can still publicize their book on your blog!
Some bloggers need to look at what they're doing when it comes to their ARCs. Receiving them is most definitely, a PRIVILEGE. They should immensely thank the publishers for giving them a FREE book. They should not expect weekly boxes of free books sitting on their porch.
With what Karis said above: "I do love ARCs, but if I were never sent one again, I would still blog. Anyone who feels any differently should probably reconsider why they do it." I AGREE 100%!
Nonetheless, I love bloggers but some of them still get caught up in the petty ARC drama.
Thanks for a great post, as always!! :)
ReplyDeleteAs others said, I love my ARCs, I love getting a hold of a book early so that I can then tease my non-blogging friends (and some blogging friends) incessantly until they decide they NEED the book as soon as it comes out (works on family too!). But I don't NEED ARCs or finished copies from pubs/authors in order to blog.
ReplyDeleteI'm always extremely grateful when one of my contacts sends me something they think I'll like, or reaches out to me about a book I may not have heard of. 9 times out of 10 it'll be a book or subject we were discussing over email the other day.
They are a gift and sometimes from a stranger--who expects gifts from every stranger they meet? Who goes into a friendship thinking 'Well I know Mary Sue will give me THESE presents and Betty Boo won't give me any, so I'll only be friends with Mary Sue!'?
I had a publicist ask me one time how many books I get a year. I said quite truthfully I buy/receive/am gifted somewhere around 500 a year. When she snorted that I probably receive most of them for free I quite happily pulled up my spreadsheet to show that in fact I buy about 60% of what I get. (after she stopped gaping at how much I spent a year on those books, we had a much easier conversation and are good friends now).
As they say, one bad apple ruins the bunch and unfortunately they also tend to be the loudest.
Thank you for this post, as well as the link to the Well-Read Reviews post. I'm not offended that Disney-Hyperion chooses not to offer galleys to bloggers. I might be slightly disappointed, but then I tell myself I can wait a few more months and buy the book when it comes out. More to that, Simon&Schuster/Bloomsbury/Random House allow bloggers to request for eARCs, yet they always reject my requests or leave them pending for months. I don't particularly care, as I think it's their right to choose the most influential bloggers, and I'm most definitely not that. I get approved for galleys by Edgmont, Sourcebooks, and various minor publishers; and Harlequin titles are almost always auto-approved (even though it says "request" instead of "read now"). I never get physical ARCs, and I prefer it that way - I'd rather publishers save the shipping costs.
ReplyDeleteAlso, let's face it, it's impossible to measure how many sales we bloggers generate, in the way you can do with booksellers and librarians. Booksellers sell books; it's their job to do so. Librarians buy books; it's their job to make them accessible to the public. My job is not reading and reviewing books, as much as I'd like to do that for a living.
There's something I'm not sure I understand, though. Producing e-galleys obviously costs money. Or at least, it costs to produce one galley, because it's a file you can make unlimited copies of. So, for example, if an e-galley reaches 50 media professionals instead of 20, isn't that an advantage for the publisher? They sustain the same cost. Of course, giving away too many galleys might mean they lose sales, but e-galleys usually expire after 30 or 55 days. You don't get to keep the book. Can someone explain this to me?
In the end, I'm not short of books to read because a few publishers deny me access to their galleys. I could still blog about books I buy or get from the library, like I did when I first started. Hell, with all the drama about GR bullies and reviewers allegedly behaving badly, I'm thinking of doing just that :| Certanly, stepping away from Netgalley would be hard. And it feels like I'm allowing them to intimidate me. Still, all this hate campaigns going around are bad for all of us bloggers.
e-ARCs, though cheaper to produce, still work like regular ARCs. There's the chance that the review will be detrimental or that there won't be a review at all. e-ARCs make it a lot easier to make illegal copies of a book and share as well, which I know publishers have had problems with in the past.
DeleteOh yeah, I was forgetting the whole e-piracy issue. You're totally right.
ReplyDelete"We're not professionals."
ReplyDeleteSo, so true. I try to be professional about my blog, but honestly: I would do some things different if I were getting paid to blog.
And honestly, I receive more review copies than I could ever review. There's no need to beg for more, and I'm sure it's much the same for other people who have been blogging for awhile.
Really great post. I always appreciate when someone can discuss a topic without attacking people or saying mean-spirited things. This is a great post!
ReplyDeleteVery interesting post. I am a high school librarian. I have found that by reading reviews on YA book blogs I have been able to find many many wonderful books to purchase for our library. I find book blogs to be a great tool when deciding which books to buy, since we have a limited budget. I follow at least 35 different YA blogs regularly. I don't request ARCs or use NetGalley. I still read a lot of YA books myself from the public library. I am curious how many librarians utilize book blogs the way I do. I think they are a great resource and hope that publishers will continue to partner with bloggers to get reviews out.
ReplyDeleteI agree with everything you said! :) I'd still be reviewing books even if I had to still use the library for gaining access. Actually, sometimes I miss reading more library books. I just have too many review books on my TBR since I've been blogging.
ReplyDeletereally great points here. I'll admit, I am a little jealous of the bloggers that do get a lot of books, but that is because they are good at marketing them and have made those connections. I'll get there one day, but really, I'm just all about the reading!
ReplyDeleteI think too much of a big deal is made out of review copies and especially of ARCs. It can definitely be exciting to get books ahead of time, and I do get ARC envy for those few titles that I'm DYING to read, but for the most part I just don't think it matters that much. Eventually the book will be released and you can either buy it or get it from the library.
ReplyDeleteI don't really think anyone "deserves" anything, and people have to realize the things that you've pointed out: that by sending an ARC to anyone, especially a blogger, publishers are gambling on the fact that a blogger will A) review it, and B) hopefully like it enough to promote it, maybe even beyond just a review. I do think blogs are a great way to get the word out. Before starting my own blog I followed blogs for more than a year, and this helped me decide which books to check out from the library and which to purchase. I also think bloggers can have an impact on sales, but like you also mentioned, it can't be tracked, which makes things a bit difficult.
I do think that bloggers as a whole deserve a modicum of respect, but as long as there are people out there whining about not getting free books, acting badly at conferences, etc. etc. then it's going to be difficult for the group to be taken seriously. It's like any group in society: the minority doing things that create stereotypes and make the majority look bad.
There's so much drama lately and I don't really understand; I basically stay out of it, and I'm glad to do that. People should realize that if they created less drama maybe they would get titles for review. Publishers and authors aren't going to want to work with bloggers who consistently complain and make themselves look childish or foolish.
Anddddd I shall end this epic comment.... now. ;)
I've requested review copies a few times and gotten really nice replies from a few publishers, but I never know how to proceed past that. Do I email the same personal email? Do I say some version of "hey, you talked to me before and gave me some review copies and you're really nice and can I please have some more?" Please help me, this is my major dilemma when it comes to requesting!
ReplyDeleteBelieve me you, I utilize the library and my personal library quite well, but every once in a while I feel like being bold and putting my little blog out there :]
I think that what you do next depends on what those really nice e-mails back said. And it's probablly a good thing to remember that sometimes they don't reply back, something can just show up in the mail.
DeleteFew things to remember when requesting:
-Always include your address in any e-mail you request. This way they don't have to look it up every time.
- I always review everything sent to me, or get the ARCS in the hands of a blogger who can before I request more (by way of tours and such). It's a promotional item, and needs to be used as such.
- Keep your responses, and request e-mails short. They get hundreds a day!
- Always send them links to the reviews you did on the items they sent you!
-When you send an e-mail back it would be fine to say:
"Thanks so much for the ARC of ____ I loved it! If you missed it, here's the link to the review (add link)I'd love to be considered for _____ by ____ if review copies are available.
AT this point I remind them a little about who I am, blog name, stats...blah blah...like 2 sentences and wrap up with a thank you and my address.
You sound like you are doing everything right and you just keep on with it! Happy blogging!!!
Amber @ Me, My Shelf and I
www.memyshelfandi.com
I just shoot a polite email asking for the book and reminding them that we've worked together before. When in doubt, keep it short, polite and professional.
DeleteWhere can I send the flowers and candy, because sweetheart this is one of the best blog posts I have read in a LONG TIME!
ReplyDeleteI am so sick of greedy bloggers complaining, begging and whining and lashing out at publishers and authors publicly. Not only is it unprofessional (weather we be "professionals or not, you get me) but who the hell raised you to believe the world revolves around your bookshelf?!?
I can pretty much say that all the drama I have personally seen had to do with much younger bloggers. Not just in time-spent-blogging but in actual age too. I'm not saying someone 14-20 can't blog well, write well and be successful in this community, what I am saying is the majority of the child-ish behaviors I have seen first hand have come from people around that age.
I watched an author get the you-know-what fget taken out of her ON TWITTER because an out of the country blogger was mad that they were not getting an ARC of this authors book, after said blogger did a whole interview for her. Blogger was entitled to that even though Blogger knew NO ONE mails over seas except in a few cases - because it's expensive. Still this blogger threw and adult sized hissy fit for all to see...
Why don't people get it. This isn't a tit-for-tat business? Either do it because you love it, regardless of what you get out of it or please GTFO so that people who actually do care can do it.
Bottom line, no one will ever take you seriously in this world if you whine, complain, bitch, piss and moan about what you didn't get. You don't start at the top, get ready to ruin your manicure because if you really want it, you're going to have to climb!!
Ah, I remember reading that post by a person that completely bastardized select words of the English language to suit her purpose. I think we have a case of Teenager Syndrome. We want to be treated with respect but a lot of the times we're not which makes us act like petulant children wondering why we're not being treated with respect. Some of us piss and moan and hold our breath until we get what we want and when we STILL don't get it we piss and moan some more about how we're not taken seriously. It's a lovely little loop.
ReplyDeleteA publisher not wanting to distribute ARCs to bloggers is their prerogative. WE ARE NOT IN A POSITIVE TO DICTATE ARC DISTRIBUTION TO A PUBLISHER. And the fact that people think, for even a nanosecond, that they can get all passive-aggressive about demanding ARCs astounds me. WHO ARE WE? Who are we to make such demands, exactly? We should be grateful for every ARC we receive; not the other way around, demanding PUBLISHERS be grateful to US for deigning to read their advanced copies, as if their world would crumble without us. Please. We serve a purpose but let's face it: remove us from the equation entirely and books will still get read. People will still find out about them. Word of mouth is not something bloggers created and ARCs aren't things brought into existence specifically for bloggers.
Position to dictate. My typing scares me.
Delete"Never assume you deserve something."
ReplyDeleteThis, I think, is the reason so many people are up in arms over #ARCGate (or whatever you want to call it). As of late, there is most definitely a sense of entitlement floating around the book blogging community, and I think a post like this is a nice reality check for those blogger's who think they're a little more important than they are. As Donna said above, we need to be grateful for anything we are given by publishers - because they don't owe us anything.
Great pot!
Interesting post! There has been so much negativity with the blogging world lately it has caused me to step back and reevaluate the reasons why I began blogging in the first place.
ReplyDeleteI agree with a lot of this. I won't even lie one of the things I find the most annoying about form spring is all the questions revolving around ARCs. My favorite is 'where can I get free books or how do i get ARCs from this publisher' my answer is typically: 'the library' or hard work. It really does bother me the entitlement some people have right out of the gate.
ReplyDeleteI will also come right out and admit I do get a lot of ARCs in the mail, the vast majority are unsolicited or from Amazon Vine, but I also try to fully disclose the source (solicited, unsolicited, Vine, netgalley) so people don't think I am requesting the whole catalogue.
As for small viewership, I will agree up to a point. Plenty of blogs do have very small 100 unique per day viewership. Yet, there are also blogs like FYA and The Book Smugglers and Dear Author who are seeing thousands of page views per day, which I do think is not quite magazine level, but certainly more than my city's library sees on a daily basis. That is not to devalue what anyone does though. I think that we all - publishers, librarians, booksellers and bloggers contribute to a thriving bookish ecosystem.
But yeah, no need for people to panic about not getting review copies of titles they want. There is always the bookstore or the library, like I did not get Enshadowed even though I am DYING for it. Yo, I preordered that lovely and beautiful book for my shelves. It's crazy, I've used the library more from July 2011-2012 than I ever have before, even though there's at least 3 packages that magically appear per week.
Sorry for the super long ramble. I just wanted to say I agree, and this actually inspired a future blog post. :-)
I love hearing that my posts inspired people to write posts! <3
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